and fight it out in two years. there's not going to be a cliff. everybody knows this because if obama shuts down the government in january, the democrats lose ten senate seats, ten of which are vulnerable in 20 # 14. a democratic senate and republican house encysts that obama extends the tax cuts. gerri: i'm not sure everybody is so sanguine. mitt romney's been called a liar for the ideas on taxation and taxes. he wants to cut taxes 20% across the board for everybody, the poor, the wealthy, the people in between. can you do that and get rid of breaks in the tax code for wealthy people and come out with anything like a balanced budget? >> well, two things. yes, you can bring in the same amount of revenue with tax reform, but, remember, republicans believe if you do marginal tax rates, you actually get more growth. when reagan cut tax rates, he added 10 million more people not work rolls than obama's spend more approach. put 10 million people to work, take in reagan's approach to the recession would have jobs, that's